<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0" xmlns:itunes="http://www.itunes.com/dtds/podcast-1.0.dtd" xmlns:googleplay="http://www.google.com/schemas/play-podcasts/1.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[So to Speak: The Free Speech Podcast]]></title><description><![CDATA[An uncensored look at the world of free expression.]]></description><link>https://sotospeakpodcast.com</link><image><url>https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZTgf!,w_256,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fda145b19-33e8-4c30-a34c-faccbfbb851a_600x600.png</url><title>So to Speak: The Free Speech Podcast</title><link>https://sotospeakpodcast.com</link></image><generator>Substack</generator><lastBuildDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2026 15:27:14 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://sotospeakpodcast.com/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><copyright><![CDATA[Nico Perrino]]></copyright><language><![CDATA[en]]></language><webMaster><![CDATA[sotospeak@substack.com]]></webMaster><itunes:owner><itunes:email><![CDATA[sotospeak@substack.com]]></itunes:email><itunes:name><![CDATA[So to Speak]]></itunes:name></itunes:owner><itunes:author><![CDATA[So to Speak]]></itunes:author><googleplay:owner><![CDATA[sotospeak@substack.com]]></googleplay:owner><googleplay:email><![CDATA[sotospeak@substack.com]]></googleplay:email><googleplay:author><![CDATA[So to Speak]]></googleplay:author><itunes:block><![CDATA[Yes]]></itunes:block><item><title><![CDATA[Ep. 282: Breaking down FIRE’s 2027 College Free Speech Rankings]]></title><description><![CDATA[Harvard, institutional neutrality, how we determine the rankings, partisan censorship, how schools can improve their ranking, and more!]]></description><link>https://sotospeakpodcast.com/p/ep-282-breaking-down-fires-2027-college</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://sotospeakpodcast.com/p/ep-282-breaking-down-fires-2027-college</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Nico Perrino]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2026 17:28:50 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/215250851/9049af4cacd9dafbf145e6a0181c378b.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span>Timestamps:</span></p><p><span>00:00 Intro</span></p><p><span>03:18 Learn about our </span><a href="https://soapbox.fire.org/"><span>inaugural Soapbox conference</span></a></p><p><span>04:02 Preorder Nico&#8217;s book </span><em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0H58MQ4HX"><span>Free Speech Generation</span></a></em></p><p><span>5:00 Check out </span><a href="https://rankings.fire.org/"><span>FIRE&#8217;s 2027 College Free Speech rankings</span></a></p><p><span>06:05 What are the top- and bottom-ranked schools?</span></p><p><span>09:27 What&#8217;s new with the </span><a href="https://rankings.fire.org/campus/166027-harvard-university?demo=all&amp;year=2026&amp;csfs=false&amp;neutrality=true&amp;spotlight=yellow"><span>Harvard</span></a><span> evaluation?</span></p><p><span>13:08 How does FIRE choose which schools to rank?</span></p><p><span>13:46 What can universities do to improve their ranking?</span></p><p><span>15:54 What is </span><a href="https://www.fire.org/defending-your-rights/reforming-college-policies/adopting-institutional-neutrality"><span>institutional neutrality</span></a><span>?</span></p><p><span>18:05 What exactly are students being asked about campus speech?</span></p><p><span>21:25 How does FIRE make sure defending free speech doesn&#8217;t inadvertently protect censorship in the classroom?</span></p><p><span>25:19 Is campus censorship coming more from the &#8220;right&#8221; or the &#8220;left&#8221;?</span></p><p><span>26:53 Did the </span><a href="https://www.fire.org/news/washington-professor-who-parodied-university-land-acknowledgment-wins-600k-settlement"><span>University of Washington settlement involving Professor Stuart Reges</span></a><span> affect its ranking?</span></p><p><span>30:45 What does it mean to pre-register our methodology?</span></p><p><span>31:35 Why did </span><a href="https://rankings.fire.org/campus/112260-claremont-mckenna-college?demo=all&amp;year=2026&amp;csfs=true&amp;neutrality=true&amp;spotlight=green"><span>Claremont McKenna</span></a><span> drop in the rankings?</span></p><p><span>33:07 What advice does FIRE have for students at low-ranked schools facing censorship?</span></p><p><span>36:47 Do politically homogeneous campuses make students more comfortable speaking freely?</span></p><p><span>40:26 Do low-ranked colleges tell FIRE how they are improving?</span></p><p><span>42:56 What can administrators do now to improve next year&#8217;s ranking?</span></p><p><span>43:50 Does FIRE account for turnover in university leadership?</span></p><p><span>45:47 What do the rankings reveal about different student demographic groups?</span></p><p><span>49:41 Does FIRE account for differences between types of institutions?</span></p><p><span>52:00 What&#8217;s up with </span><a href="https://rankings.fire.org/campus/166683-massachusetts-institute-of-technology?demo=all&amp;year=2026&amp;csfs=true&amp;neutrality=false&amp;spotlight=yellow"><span>MIT</span></a><span>?</span></p><p><span>56:02 Should attacks on tenured professors carry more weight than actions against other faculty?</span></p><p><span>57:02 Who does FIRE contact when evaluating a university?</span></p><p><span>58:09 Are there regional patterns in the rankings?</span></p><p><span>58:57 Were there bigger ranking swings than usual this year?</span></p><p><span>01:00:44 Outro</span></p><p><span>Joining us:</span></p><ul><li><p><span>Nico Perrino, executive vice president</span></p></li><li><p><span>Angela Erickson, vice president of research</span></p></li><li><p><span>Sean Stevens, chief researcher</span></p></li><li><p><span>Ronnie London, general counsel and director of litigation</span></p></li><li><p><span>Connor Murnane, campus advocacy chief of staff</span></p></li></ul><p><span>Become a paid subscriber today to receive invitations to future live webinars.</span></p><p><span>If you became a FIRE Member through a donation to FIRE at </span><a href="https://fire.org/"><span>fire.org</span></a><span> and would like access to Substack&#8217;s paid subscriber podcast feed, please email sotospeak@fire.org.</span></p><p>If you already are a paid subscriber and would like to listen to this episode via Apple Podcasts, click on the &#8220;Apple Podcasts&#8221; icon at the top right of this page!</p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Ep. 281: What’s the First Amendment’s original meaning? w/ Jud Campbell and Stephen Solomon]]></title><description><![CDATA[The founders gave us the First Amendment. Would they recognize it today?]]></description><link>https://sotospeakpodcast.com/p/ep-281-whats-the-first-amendments</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://sotospeakpodcast.com/p/ep-281-whats-the-first-amendments</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Nico Perrino]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2026 13:21:33 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/214440984/d69cba1cedca0cc06fdd831a532905b9.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span>The First Amendment is only 45 words long. But more than 200 years and thousands of court decisions later, we&#8217;re still arguing over a basic question: what do those words mean &#8212; and what did they mean to the early Americans who adopted them?</span></p><p><span>To look through history and debate what originalism can &#8212; and can&#8217;t &#8212; tell us about the First Amendment&#8217;s free speech clause, we are joined by:</span></p><ul><li><p><span>Jud Campbell, Stanford Law School professor and the author of </span><a href="https://yalelawjournal.org/article/natural-rights-and-the-first-amendment"><span>Natural Rights and the First Amendment</span></a><span> and </span><a href="https://harvardlawreview.org/print/vol-138/determining-rights/"><span>Determining Rights</span></a></p></li><li><p><span>Stephen Solomon, Marjorie Deane Professor of Journalism at New York University, the founding editor of </span><a href="https://firstamendmentwatch.org/"><span>First Amendment Watch</span></a><span>, and the author of </span><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/023034206X?lv=shuf&amp;channelId=500&amp;plpRedirect=mhFallback"><span>Revolutionary Dissent: How the Founding Generation Created the Freedom of Speech</span></a></p></li></ul><p><strong><span>Timestamps:</span></strong></p><p><span>00:00 Intro</span></p><p><span>02:20 Original meaning and modern First Amendment doctrine</span></p><p><span>09:12 Would the founders recognize our today&#8217;s First Amendment?</span></p><p><span>16:00 The Alien and Sedition Acts</span></p><p><span>20:21 How the founding generation practiced free speech</span></p><p><span>24:35 Can we define &#8220;originalism&#8221;?</span></p><p><span>32:05 Representative government and the promise of liberty</span></p><p><span>45:00 The First Amendment&#8217;s absolute language</span></p><p><span>51:36 </span><em><a href="https://www.fire.org/supreme-court/new-york-times-co-v-sullivan"><span>New York Times v. Sullivan</span></a></em></p><p><span>58:01 Amending the First Amendment</span></p><p><span>01:04:30 Outro</span></p><p><a href="https://www.fire.org/research-learn/so-speak-podcast-transcript-whats-first-amendments-original-meaning-w-jud-campbell"><span>Read the transcript here</span></a><span>.</span></p><p><span>Enjoy listening to the podcast? </span><strong><span>Donate to FIRE today </span></strong><span>and get exclusive content like member webinars, special episodes, and more.</span></p><p><span>If you became a </span><strong><a href="https://www.fire.org/donate/membership"><span>FIRE Member</span></a><span> </span></strong><span>through a donation to FIRE at </span><strong><a href="https://www.fire.org"><span>fire.org</span></a></strong><span> and would like access to </span><strong><a href="https://sotospeak.substack.com/"><span>Substack&#8217;s</span></a></strong><span> paid subscriber podcast feed, please email </span><a href="mailto:sotospeak@fire.org"><span>sotospeak@fire.org</span></a><span>.</span></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Ep. 280: Social media, speech, and kids w/ Joel Thayer and Kate Ruane]]></title><description><![CDATA[When does regulating technology become regulating speech?]]></description><link>https://sotospeakpodcast.com/p/ep-280-social-media-speech-and-kids</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://sotospeakpodcast.com/p/ep-280-social-media-speech-and-kids</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Nico Perrino]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2026 16:48:38 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/212863258/aac5b82c2aa4214290ef49ae459df2f3.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span>**Editor&#8217;s note: This episode was recorded before Meta </span><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/26/technology/meta-settlement-social-media-addiction-lawsuit.html"><span>settled</span></a><span> a social media addiction trial with a coalition of state attorneys general on Aug. 26, 2026. The case alleged the company knew some of its features on Facebook and Instagram could be harmful to kids and the company publicly misrepresented those risks.</span></p><div><hr></div><p><span>Social media and artificial intelligence are increasingly powerful tools for sharing and accessing information. They&#8217;re also at the center of a push for the government to address their potential harms &#8212; particularly to kids.</span></p><p><span>So where&#8217;s the constitutional line between regulating technology and regulating speech? And could this latest wave of legislation and litigation change what we can see, say, and create online?</span></p><p><span>Joining us to break down the latest developments in social media and AI and what it all means for free speech are:</span></p><ul><li><p><span>Joel Thayer, senior fellow for AI and emerging technology policy at the America First Policy Institute and president of the Digital Progress Institute</span></p></li><li><p><span>Kate Ruane, director of the Center for Democracy &amp; Technology&#8217;s Free Expression Project</span></p></li></ul><p><strong><span>Timestamps:</span></strong></p><p><span>00:00 Intro</span></p><p><span>02:02 The case for regulating social media</span></p><p><span>09:23 The case for social media as protected speech</span></p><p><span>18:12 Are social media design features protected speech?</span></p><p><span>23:46 Section 230 and platform liability</span></p><p><span>37:21 Privacy, COPPA, and online child safety</span></p><p><span>58:40 Are AI chatbots speech?</span></p><p><span>01:09:06 Will Congress regulate social media and AI?</span></p><p><span>01:12:27 Outro</span></p><p><a href="https://www.fire.org/research-learn/so-speak-social-media-speech-and-kids-w-joel-thayer-and-kate-ruane"><span>Read the transcript here.</span></a></p><p><span>Enjoy listening to the podcast? </span><strong><span>Donate to FIRE today </span></strong><span>and get exclusive content like member webinars, special episodes, and more.</span></p><p><span>If you became a </span><strong><a href="https://www.fire.org/donate/membership"><span>FIRE Member</span></a><span> </span></strong><span>through a donation to FIRE at </span><strong><a href="https://www.fire.org"><span>fire.org</span></a></strong><span> and would like access to </span><strong><a href="https://sotospeak.substack.com/"><span>Substack&#8217;s</span></a></strong><span> paid subscriber podcast feed, please email </span><a href="mailto:sotospeak@fire.org"><span>sotospeak@fire.org</span></a><span>.</span></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[FIRE Monthly Member Webinar - August 2026]]></title><description><![CDATA[Conversion therapy, WNBA fans&#8217; &#8220;offensive shirts,&#8221; Disney suing the FCC, the Trump administration, academic freedom, Canada and more!]]></description><link>https://sotospeakpodcast.com/p/fire-monthly-member-webinar-august-d54</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://sotospeakpodcast.com/p/fire-monthly-member-webinar-august-d54</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Nico Perrino]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2026 19:44:12 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/212051443/c8f632fe6016a0a74f69dc93773794ba.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Nico's book, </strong><em><strong><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0H58MQ4HX">Free Speech Generation</a>, </strong></em><strong>is available for preorder!</strong></p><p><span>Timestamps:</span></p><p><span>00:00 Intro</span></p><p><span>02:30 Get your </span><a href="http://soapbox.fire.org/"><span>tickets to Soapbox</span></a><span> now!</span></p><p><span>03:54 Preorder Nico&#8217;s book </span><em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0H58MQ4HX"><span>Free Speech Generation</span></a></em></p><p><span>05:07 Who is Brandi Kruse?</span></p><p><span>09:16 Why does FIRE support the </span><em><a href="https://www.fire.org/news/supreme-court-should-strike-down-colorados-ban-conversion-therapy-heres-why"><span>Chiles v. Salazar</span></a></em><span> decision?</span></p><p><span>19:35 What&#8217;s going on with </span><a href="https://www.fire.org/research-learn/fire-comments-fcc-opposing-petitions-deny-early-renewal-applications-walt-disney"><span>Disney and the FCC</span></a><span>?</span></p><p><span>28:07 What amicus briefs has FIRE filed recently?</span></p><p><span>30:&#8230;</span></p>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Ep. 279: Legendary lawyer Michael Tigar on juries, free speech, and the trial of John Peter Zenger]]></title><description><![CDATA[What do the Berkeley Free Speech Movement, the Chicago Eight, and John Peter Zenger have in common?]]></description><link>https://sotospeakpodcast.com/p/ep-279-legendary-lawyer-michael-tigar</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://sotospeakpodcast.com/p/ep-279-legendary-lawyer-michael-tigar</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Nico Perrino]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2026 12:55:53 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/210204376/02e891f4baad935321680f9e8f7c70c6.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span>Long before the First Amendment, John Peter Zenger stood trial for publishing criticisms of New York&#8217;s then colonial governor. Although the law seemed to guarantee a guilty verdict, a jury refused to convict him. Zenger&#8217;s trial was an early indication that the American colonists harbored a view of liberty more expansive than that offered to them by the British Crown.</span></p><p><span>Few people are better suited to explain the case than Michael Tigar. Over a legendary legal career spanning more than six decades, Tigar has argued before the Supreme Court (multiple times), represented civil rights activists and other controversial clients, taught generations of lawyers, and written what has become the </span><a href="https://law.utexas.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/34/2016/09/14ZengerTrial.pdf"><span>definitive stage play</span></a><span> about the Zenger trial.</span></p><p><span>Michael joins us to revisit the Zenger trial and reflect on his own remarkable career from the Berkeley Free Speech Movement and the Chicago Eight trial to jury nullification and lawyers&#8217; First Amendment rights.</span></p><p><span>To read more about Michael&#8217;s life, </span><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/1583679200?lv=shuf&amp;channelId=500&amp;plpRedirect=mhFallback"><span>check out his memoir</span></a><span>.</span></p><p><strong><span>Timestamps:</span></strong></p><p><span>00:00 Intro</span></p><p><span>03:11 The Berkeley Free Speech Movement</span></p><p><span>09:17 Michael&#8217;s path to becoming a lawyer</span></p><p><span>13:44 Defending the Chicago Eight</span></p><p><span>20:25 The trial of John Peter Zenger</span></p><p><span>27:03 Jury nullification and the Zenger verdict</span></p><p><span>37:26 The Zenger play and its legacy</span></p><p><span>39:52 </span><em><a href="https://www.oyez.org/cases/1963/39"><span>NYT v. Sullivan</span></a></em><span> and SLAPP lawsuits</span></p><p><span>44:30 Outro</span></p><p><a href="https://www.fire.org/research-learn/so-speak-podcast-transcript-legendary-lawyer-michael-tigar-juries-free-speech-and"><span>Read the transcript here.</span></a></p><p><span>Enjoy listening to the podcast? </span><strong><span>Donate to FIRE today </span></strong><span>and get exclusive content like member webinars, special episodes, and more.</span></p><p><span>If you became a </span><strong><a href="https://www.fire.org/donate/membership"><span>FIRE Member</span></a><span> </span></strong><span>through a donation to FIRE at </span><strong><a href="https://www.fire.org"><span>fire.org</span></a></strong><span> and would like access to </span><strong><a href="https://sotospeak.substack.com/"><span>Substack&#8217;s</span></a></strong><span> paid subscriber podcast feed, please email </span><a href="mailto:sotospeak@fire.org"><span>sotospeak@fire.org</span></a><span>.</span></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Ep. 278: The Trump admin wants to change how scientific research is funded w/ Catharine Young, Evan Morris, and Ryne Weiss]]></title><description><![CDATA[The feds want to implement new rules to combat waste, fraud, and abuse in research grants &#8212; so why is the research community throwing up red flags?]]></description><link>https://sotospeakpodcast.com/p/ep-278-the-trump-admin-wants-to-change</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://sotospeakpodcast.com/p/ep-278-the-trump-admin-wants-to-change</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Nico Perrino]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2026 17:42:25 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/208978699/2ba4f1bc7328376ae7cdfa8f04d039a5.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span>In May 2026, the Office of Management and Budget </span><a href="https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2026/05/29/2026-10817/regulation-for-federal-financial-assistance"><span>proposed sweeping changes</span></a><span> to how the federal government administers billions of dollars in federal research grants.</span></p><p><span>That funding fuels scientific discovery, medical breakthroughs, and technological innovation. The proposal was open for public comment for 45 days and drew more than half a million responses.</span></p><p><span>Supporters of the proposal argue that it will prevent waste, fraud, and abuse in federal spending. Critics contend that the proposal will politicize research funding by giving executive branch political appointees greater influence over which research projects receive federal support.</span></p><p><span>Joining us to break down the OMB proposal and what it could mean for the future of research are:</span></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://substack.com/@evandmorris"><span>Evan Morris</span></a><span>, professor of radiology and biomedical imaging and of biomedical engineering at Yale</span></p></li><li><p><a href="https://x.com/DrCatharineY?lang=en"><span>Catharine Young</span></a><span>, senior fellow at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health</span></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.fire.org/about-us/our-team/ryne-weiss"><span>Ryne Weiss</span></a><span>, director of research here at FIRE</span></p></li></ul><p><strong><span>Timestamps:</span></strong></p><p><span>00:00 Intro</span></p><p><span>02:57 What&#8217;s in the OMB proposal?</span></p><p><span>08:57 Research grant &#8220;kill switches&#8221; and their consequences</span></p><p><span>17:17 Limits on foreign research partnerships and professional activities</span></p><p><span>21:29 The importance of federal funding to medical research</span></p><p><span>23:23 Are pharmaceutical companies the &#8220;boogeymen&#8221;?</span></p><p><span>25:13 The gold standard of scientific research</span></p><p><span>26:22 The &#8220;replication crisis&#8221;</span></p><p><span>31:16 Open science and peer review</span></p><p><span>40:37 Bias in research funding decisions</span></p><p><span>44:06 Should science be shielded from politics?</span></p><p><span>49:04 Has research always been political?</span></p><p><span>53:14 How politicization could change scientific research</span></p><p><span>58:59 Outro</span></p><p><a href="https://www.fire.org/research-learn/so-speak-podcast-transcript-trump-admin-wants-change-how-scientific-research-0"><span>Read the transcript here</span></a><span>.</span></p><p><span>Enjoy listening to the podcast? </span><strong><span>Donate to FIRE today </span></strong><span>and get exclusive content like member webinars, special episodes, and more.</span></p><p><span>If you became a </span><strong><a href="https://www.fire.org/donate/membership"><span>FIRE Member</span></a><span> </span></strong><span>through a donation to FIRE at </span><strong><a href="https://fire.org"><span>fire.org</span></a></strong><span> and would like access to </span><strong><a href="https://sotospeak.substack.com/"><span>Substack&#8217;s</span></a></strong><span> paid subscriber podcast feed, please email </span><a href="mailto:sotospeak@fire.org"><span>sotospeak@fire.org</span></a><span>.</span></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[FIRE Monthly Member Webinar - July 2026]]></title><description><![CDATA[Obscenity, foreign censorship, social media, academic freedom, age verification technology, and more!]]></description><link>https://sotospeakpodcast.com/p/fire-monthly-member-webinar-july-3d5</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://sotospeakpodcast.com/p/fire-monthly-member-webinar-july-3d5</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Nico Perrino]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2026 20:37:08 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/208109282/8e39428a66e0845fac3a9de59de45199.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span>Timestamps:</span></p><p><span>00:00 Intro</span></p><p><span>02:50 What does FIRE think about </span><a href="https://www.techdirt.com/2026/07/10/fcc-general-counsel-channels-founding-fathers-to-falsely-claim-first-amendment-allows-banning-porn/"><span>the FCC bringing back obscenity prosecutions</span></a><span>?</span></p><p><span>12:20 Is there a difference between &#8220;institutional neutrality&#8221; and &#8220;institutional pluralism&#8221;?</span></p><p><span>15:28 Can foreign governments </span><a href="https://www.fire.org/news/podcasts/so-speak-free-speech-podcast/how-foreign-censors-target-american-speakers"><span>enforce their speech laws against Americans</span></a><span>? </span></p><p><span>19:37 Is any age verification technology compatible with the First Amendment?</span></p><p><span>24:35 Have&#8230;</span></p>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Ep. 277: Ada Palmer on the history of censorship from the Renaissance to AI]]></title><description><![CDATA[Why do people censor? What makes censorship succeed or fail? And what can centuries of censorship teach us about today&#8217;s free speech battles?]]></description><link>https://sotospeakpodcast.com/p/ep-277-ada-palmer-on-the-history</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://sotospeakpodcast.com/p/ep-277-ada-palmer-on-the-history</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Nico Perrino]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2026 17:33:16 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/207059201/3ee91de42bee5d4b9af70966d26976a6.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span>Censorship is often associated with authoritarian governments. But throughout history, efforts to control ideas have taken many different forms &#8212; and they haven&#8217;t always come from the state.</span></p><p><span>In this episode, Nico sits down with University of Chicago professor Ada Palmer to explore the history of censorship from the Renaissance to the present day. They discuss what motivates censorship, why it evolves alongside new communication technologies, how effective it has been throughout history, and what historical patterns can teach us about today&#8217;s free speech debates.</span></p><p><span>Ada Palmer is a professor of early modern European history at the University of Chicago and the author of </span><a href="https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/I/bo246135916.html"><span>Inventing the Renaissance: Myths of a Golden Age</span></a><span>. She is also an acclaimed science fiction and fantasy author, composer, singer, and expert on anime and Japanese popular culture. </span><a href="https://www.adapalmer.com/"><span>Visit her website </span></a><span>to read her blog and explore her other projects.</span></p><p><strong><span>Timestamps:</span></strong></p><p><span>00:00 Intro</span></p><p><span>01:29 Palmer&#8217;s interest in censorship</span></p><p><span>03:13 Renaissance censorship</span></p><p><span>13:15 The Inquisition and Jansenism</span></p><p><span>22:50 The blurry line between state and private censorship</span></p><p><span>31:35 Fear and self-censorship</span></p><p><span>35:12 Does America hide its censorship efforts?</span></p><p><span>38:45 The case of Giovanni Pico della Mirandola</span></p><p><span>43:50 Will AI change censorship?</span></p><p><span>53:36 Censorship will always be with us</span></p><p><span>01:06:47 Are you a free speech absolutist?</span></p><p><span>01:13:46 Outro</span></p><p><a href="https://www.fire.org/research-learn/so-speak-transcript-ada-palmer-history-censorship-renaissance-ai"><span>Read the transcript here</span></a><span>.</span></p><p><span>Enjoy listening to the podcast? </span><strong><span>Donate to FIRE today </span></strong><span>and get exclusive content like member webinars, special episodes, and more.</span></p><p><span>If you became a </span><strong><a href="https://www.fire.org/donate/membership"><span>FIRE Member</span></a><span> </span></strong><span>through a donation to FIRE at </span><strong><a href="https://www.fire.org"><span>fire.org</span></a></strong><span> and would like access to </span><strong><a href="https://sotospeak.substack.com/"><span>Substack&#8217;s</span></a></strong><span> paid subscriber podcast feed, please email </span><a href="mailto:sotospeak@fire.org"><span>sotospeak@fire.org</span></a><span>.</span></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Ep. 276: Book banning’s trial of the century w/ Anthony Aycock]]></title><description><![CDATA[Book bans aren&#8217;t new. Long before today&#8217;s battles over library shelves, a school district on Long Island found itself at the center of a constitutional fight that would reach the U.S. Supreme Court.]]></description><link>https://sotospeakpodcast.com/p/ep-276-book-bannings-trial-of-the</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://sotospeakpodcast.com/p/ep-276-book-bannings-trial-of-the</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Nico Perrino]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2026 20:30:54 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/204332896/73f971281e20b1a3ef0f83381d495bd1.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span>Over the past five years, book bans and book challenges have become a major flashpoint in American politics.</span></p><p><span>School boards, parents, librarians, and lawmakers are fighting over what students should&#8212;and shouldn&#8217;t&#8212;have access to on library shelves. Supporters of library restrictions say they are protecting children. Opponents say they are censoring ideas.</span></p><p><span>But this debate isn&#8217;t new.</span></p><p><span>In the 1970s, America saw a similar surge in book challenges. One local dispute in Long Island, New York, made its way to the U.S. Supreme Court and became the only school-library book-removal case the Court has ever decided.</span></p><p><span>That case was </span><em><a href="https://www.oyez.org/cases/1981/80-2043"><span>Island Trees School District v. Pico</span></a></em><span>, better known simply as </span><em><span>Pico.</span></em></p><p><span>In this episode, we&#8217;re joined by Anthony Aycock, legislative library director at the North Carolina General Assembly and the author of </span><em><a href="https://www.bloomsbury.com/us/just-plain-filthy-9798216196471/"><span>Just Plain Filthy: The Story Behind Book Banning&#8217;s Trial of the Century</span></a></em><span>.</span></p><p><span>His book tells the story behind </span><em><span>Pico</span></em><span>, including the school board that removed the books from its libraries, the students who fought back, and the Supreme Court justices who delivered a fractured ruling that left some of the case&#8217;s most important constitutional questions unresolved.</span></p><p><span>Don&#8217;t miss the free speech event of the year! Get your tickets and learn more about our Soapbox Conference at </span><a href="http://soapbox.fire.org"><span>soapbox.fire.org</span></a><span>. The early bird discount ends July 4.</span></p><p><strong><span>Timestamps:</span></strong></p><p><span>00:00 Intro</span></p><p><span>03:02 How Anthony became a librarian</span></p><p><span>05:08 What inspired Anthony&#8217;s book?</span></p><p><span>07:33 The origins of </span><em><a href="https://www.oyez.org/cases/1981/80-2043"><span>Island Trees School District v. Pico</span></a></em></p><p><span>13:25 </span><a href="https://firstamendment.mtsu.edu/article/miller-test/"><span>The Miller test</span></a><span> for obscenity</span></p><p><span>14:43 Steven Pico and the road to the Supreme Court</span></p><p><span>18:15 The local reaction to </span><em><span>Pico</span></em></p><p><span>20:17 If libraries choose what comes in, why can&#8217;t they choose what goes out?</span></p><p><span>20:51 How librarians build a collection</span></p><p><span>26:05 When and why books leave library shelves</span></p><p><span>26:52 The Supreme Court&#8217;s plurality opinion</span></p><p><span>30:08 Why </span><em><span>Pico</span></em><span> still matters: the Llano County case</span></p><p><span>35:41 Libraries, viewpoint diversity, and public access</span></p><p><span>38:24 When is censorship justified?</span></p><p><span>39:55 Should parents decide what everyone can read?</span></p><p><span>51:01 Stress test: Should Hitler&#8217;s</span><em><span> Mein Kampf</span></em><span> be available in libraries?</span></p><p><span>54:05 How librarians feel about literary censorship today</span></p><p><span>57:57 Outro</span></p><p><a href="https://www.fire.org/research-learn/so-speak-podcast-transcript-book-bannings-trial-century-w-anthony-aycock">Read the transcript here</a>.</p><p><span>Enjoy listening to the podcast? </span><strong><span>Donate to FIRE today </span></strong><span>and get exclusive content like member webinars, special episodes, and more.</span></p><p><span>If you became a </span><strong><a href="https://www.fire.org/donate/membership"><span>FIRE Member</span></a><span> </span></strong><span>through a donation to FIRE at </span><strong><span>fire.org</span></strong><span> and would like access to </span><strong><a href="https://sotospeak.substack.com/"><span>Substack&#8217;s</span></a></strong><span> paid subscriber podcast feed, please email </span><a href="mailto:sotospeak@fire.org"><span>sotospeak@fire.org</span></a><span>.</span></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[FIRE Monthly Member Webinar - June 2026]]></title><description><![CDATA[Academic freedom, DEI mandates, AI liability, Bible verses on Pride hats, dangerous speech, and more!]]></description><link>https://sotospeakpodcast.com/p/fire-monthly-member-webinar-june-0cb</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://sotospeakpodcast.com/p/fire-monthly-member-webinar-june-0cb</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Nico Perrino]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2026 15:19:19 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/203094713/bf2731dcc32a0ecd67f6a7fb1bc59509.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timestamps:</p><p>00:00 Intro</p><p>02:25 Get your <a href="http://soapbox.fire.org/">tickets to FIRE&#8217;s Soapbox conference</a> now!</p><p>04:38 Can public universities require faculty to embrace DEI ideology? (<a href="https://www.fire.org/news/fire-survey-law-professors-report-widespread-self-censorship-and-fear-speaking-freely">FIRE SURVEY: Law professors report widespread self-censorship and fear of speaking freely</a>)</p><p>09:23 What is the <a href="https://higheredstatementofprinciples.com/state-of-scholarship-report/">State of Scholarship Report </a>from Vanderbilt and Washington University ?</p><p>13:46 Why do universities &#8230;</p>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Ep. 275: Stress-testing the limits of the First Amendment w/ Chaz Stevens]]></title><description><![CDATA[He says Satan loves the First Amendment. What does that mean?]]></description><link>https://sotospeakpodcast.com/p/ep-275-stress-testing-the-limits</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://sotospeakpodcast.com/p/ep-275-stress-testing-the-limits</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Nico Perrino]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2026 15:46:16 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/202446241/de60036fc36953abaa601d67e3ab5175.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debates over religious freedom have shaped American life for centuries. From Quakers facing persecution in colonial America to <em>The Crucible</em> to <em>South Park</em>, fights over religious expression have repeatedly tested the country&#8217;s commitment to free speech and religious liberty.</p><p>At the heart of these debates are a few difficult questions: Does the Constitution protect only popular beliefs, or all of them? If the government opens the door for one form of religious expression, does it have to allow every form? And if not, where does the Constitution draw the line?</p><p>Few people have tested those questions more directly than <span class="mention-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;name&quot;:&quot;T. Chaz Stevens&quot;,&quot;id&quot;:106687635,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;user&quot;,&quot;url&quot;:null,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/f88414de-5b18-4428-b3d0-7141f473ec2d_1230x1230.jpeg&quot;,&quot;uuid&quot;:&quot;ec10d932-08fa-4674-a85d-9e9b2c04da85&quot;}" data-component-name="MentionToDOM"></span>.</p><p>Stevens is the founder of the Church of Satanology and a longtime activist who uses satire, publicity stunts, and litigation to challenge what he sees as hypocrisy in how governments apply First Amendment protections.</p><p>In this episode, Chaz joins us to talk about those battles, the philosophy behind his activism, and what he&#8217;s learned from years of pushing the boundaries of the First Amendment.</p><p>Follow Chaz on <a href="https://chazstevens.substack.com/">Substack here</a>.</p><p><strong>Timestamps:</strong></p><p>00:00 Intro</p><p>02:26 What is Satanology?</p><p>04:15 Using malicious compliance to defend viewpoint neutrality</p><p>07:14 Pushing the boundaries of religious freedom protections</p><p>10:12 The First Amendment right to petition the government</p><p>11:20 Fighting state-mandated religious displays</p><p>15:37 Why Chaz puts Festivus poles in state capitols</p><p>19:59 Ron DeSantis, school libraries, and book ban controversies</p><p>23:44 Suing the government without a lawyer (pro se litigation)</p><p>30:18 Chaz&#8217;s lawsuit against Rep. Chip LaMarca and<em> <a href="https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/22-611_ap6c.pdf">Lindke v. Freed</a></em></p><p>34:48 How Chaz&#8217;s activism started</p><p>35:54 The Consentivus tour and the Epstein files</p><p>38:55 What is Chaz&#8217;s endgame?</p><p>41:27 Outro</p><p><a href="https://www.fire.org/research-learn/so-speak-podcast-transcript-stress-testing-limits-first-amendment-w-chaz-stevens">Read the transcript here</a>.</p><p>Enjoy listening to the podcast? <strong>Donate to FIRE today </strong>and get exclusive content like member webinars, special episodes, and more.</p><p>If you became a <strong><a href="https://www.fire.org/donate/membership">FIRE Member</a> </strong>through a donation to FIRE at <strong>fire.org</strong> and would like access to <strong><a href="https://sotospeak.substack.com/">Substack&#8217;s</a></strong> paid subscriber podcast feed, please email <a href="mailto:sotospeak@fire.org">sotospeak@fire.org</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Ep. 274: Financial censorship: how banks silence speech w/ Rainey Reitman]]></title><description><![CDATA[Money makes the world go round. But for some speakers, banks serve as a choke point for sharing their message.]]></description><link>https://sotospeakpodcast.com/p/ep-274-financial-censorship-how-banks</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://sotospeakpodcast.com/p/ep-274-financial-censorship-how-banks</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Nico Perrino]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2026 15:42:46 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/201357727/2d316135dfb4011d5fc427acffba556f.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is financial censorship?</p><p>Rainey Reitman joins the show to discuss what happens when people are denied access to financial services because of their lawful speech and conduct.</p><p>Reitman is the author of <a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/804543/transaction-denied-by-rainey-reitman/">Transaction Denied: Big Finance&#8217;s Power to Punish Speech</a>, which examines the role financial companies like Visa, Chase, and PayPal play in policing speech and silencing speakers.</p><p><strong>Timestamps:</strong></p><p>00:00 Intro</p><p>02:29 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Reitman">Ben Reitman</a>: Rainey&#8217;s great-grandfather and free speech activist</p><p>05:42 How Rainey joined the fight for internet freedom</p><p>08:19 Chelsea Manning, whistleblowers, and the WikiLeaks banking blockade</p><p>16:11 The National Committee for Religious Freedom&#8217;s fight with Chase Bank</p><p>19:10 <em><a href="https://www.fire.org/cases/nra-v-vullo">NRA v. Vullo</a></em>: The Supreme Court case on indirect government censorship</p><p>21:24 The Wolfsberg Group and global banking institutions</p><p>23:51 What is a &#8220;politically exposed person&#8221;?</p><p>25:52 Reputational risk management</p><p>27:40 <a href="https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/08/guaranteeing-fair-banking-for-all-americans/">Trump&#8217;s 2025 executive order on debanking</a></p><p>29:45 Sanctions, terrorism screening, and the impact on Muslim communities</p><p>33:04 Why banks are so afraid of sanctions violations</p><p>34:10 Can you fight back after being debanked?</p><p>35:32 Can the private sector censor?</p><p>37:50 Operation Choke Point, cannabis, and crypto</p><p>47:25 Why are banks policing porn and adult content?</p><p>54:11 Solutions to debanking: incentives, crypto, and cash</p><p>59:15 Outro</p><p><a href="https://www.fire.org/research-learn/so-speak-podcast-transcript-financial-censorship-how-banks-silence-speech-w-rainey">Read the transcript here</a>.</p><p>Enjoy listening to the podcast? <strong>Donate to FIRE today </strong>and get exclusive content like member webinars, special episodes, and more.</p><p>If you became a <strong><a href="https://www.fire.org/donate/membership">FIRE Member</a> </strong>through a donation to FIRE at <strong><a href="http://fire.org">fire.org</a></strong> and would like access to <strong><a href="https://sotospeak.substack.com/">Substack&#8217;s</a></strong> paid subscriber podcast feed, please email <a href="mailto:sotospeak@fire.org">sotospeak@fire.org</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Ep. 273: Debating Super PACs and campaign finance w/ Larry Lessig and Paul Sherman]]></title><description><![CDATA[The price tag for American elections keeps climbing. The 2024 presidential election was the second most expensive race ever at $5.5 billion. Now, the 2026 midterms are projected to set a new record.]]></description><link>https://sotospeakpodcast.com/p/ep-273-debating-super-pacs-and-campaign</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://sotospeakpodcast.com/p/ep-273-debating-super-pacs-and-campaign</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Lawrence Lessig]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2026 15:00:53 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/199462016/04fa858287d2a73a2e95def4b4b350ad.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 2010, two landmark decisions transformed American campaign finance law. The first was <em><a href="https://www.fire.org/supreme-court/citizens-united-v-fec">Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission</a></em>. The second was <em><a href="https://ij.org/case/speechnoworg-v-federal-election-commission/">SpeechNow.org v. FEC</a></em>.</p><p>Together, these cases cleared the way for corporations and so-called Super PACs to raise and spend unlimited sums of money in elections.</p><p>What followed was a new era in American politics where individuals, corporations, and industries increasingly spent more and more money to influence campaigns and public opinion.</p><p>To debate the constitutional, political, and historical questions surrounding money in politics, we are joined by <a href="https://hls.harvard.edu/faculty/lawrence-lessig/">Larry Lessig</a> and <a href="https://ij.org/staff/psherman/">Paul Sherman</a>. Lessig is a Harvard Law professor and the founder of <a href="https://equalcitizens.us/">Equal Citizens</a>, one of the country&#8217;s leading advocates for campaign finance reform. Sherman is a senior attorney at the <a href="https://ij.org/">Institute for Justice</a> who served as co-counsel in <em>SpeechNow.org</em>.</p><p>Read Larry&#8217;s paper <a href="https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=6803779">&#8220;If Roe, then Buckley&#8221; here</a>.</p><p><strong>Timestamps:</strong></p><p>00:00 Intro</p><p>02:43 How Larry and Paul became interested in political speech and campaign finance</p><p>05:33 <em>Citizens United</em>, political speech, and quid pro quo corruption</p><p>18:34 What was the <em>SpeechNow</em> case?</p><p>32:31 Elon Musk and billionaire influence in the 2024 election</p><p>49:06 History of campaign finance regulation</p><p>51:26 First Amendment originalism, Federalist 52, and Federalist 57</p><p>01:07:07 Does money actually influence election outcomes?</p><p>01:14:20 Outro</p><p><a href="https://www.fire.org/research-learn/so-speak-podcast-transcript-debating-super-pacs-and-campaign-finance-w-larry-lessig">Read the transcript here.</a></p><p>Enjoy listening to the podcast? <strong>Donate to FIRE today </strong>and get exclusive content like member webinars, special episodes, and more.</p><p>If you became a <strong><a href="https://www.fire.org/donate/membership">FIRE Member</a> </strong>through a donation to FIRE at <strong><a href="http://fire.org">fire.org</a></strong> and would like access to <strong><a href="https://sotospeak.substack.com/">Substack&#8217;s</a></strong> paid subscriber podcast feed, please email <a href="mailto:sotospeak@fire.org">sotospeak@fire.org</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Ep. 272: FIRE Monthly Member Webinar - May 2026]]></title><description><![CDATA[Shouting down speakers, UCLA free speech, heckling, AI, doxxing, cancel culture, and more!]]></description><link>https://sotospeakpodcast.com/p/ep-272-fire-monthly-member-webinar</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://sotospeakpodcast.com/p/ep-272-fire-monthly-member-webinar</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Nico Perrino]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2026 20:38:21 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/197904215/39343af426eb815a4325eecf41416970.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timestamps:</p><p>00:00 Intro</p><p>02:40 Get your <a href="http://soapbox.fire.org/">tickets to Soapbox</a> now!</p><p>06:30 Congratulations to Will on 20 years at FIRE</p><p>07:31 How is FIRE responding to <a href="https://www.fire.org/research-learn/campus-deplatforming-database?range=10&amp;orderdir=desc&amp;orderby=year">shouting down speakers</a>?</p><p>11:33 Will FIRE include viewpoint diversity in our <a href="https://www.fire.org/college-free-speech-rankings">College Free Speech Rankings</a>?</p><p>13:48 What is FIRE&#8217;s response to <a href="https://www.fire.org/news/what-ucla-doesnt-want-you-know">UCLA Law students protesting a DHS speaker</a>?</p><p>17:07 NYU&#8217;s commencement speaker <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/13/us/politics/nyu-graduation-speaker-free-speech-jonathan-haidt.html">Jonathan Haidt</a></p><p>21:20 Is walking out on a controversial speaker protected free speech?</p><p>23:28 Is FIRE involved in Texas State University professor Tom Alter&#8217;s case?</p><p>25:50 What is the scholar to attorney ratio at FIRE?</p><p>27:47 Has cancel culture on college campuses changed since Trump 2.0?</p><p>32:00 What is FIRE&#8217;s stance on <a href="https://www.fire.org/research-learn/doxxing-free-speech-and-first-amendment">doxxing</a>?</p><p>37:02 FIRE volunteer opportunities</p><p>37:33 Can the government <a href="https://www.fire.org/news/another-year-another-session-ai-overregulation">regulate AI</a>?</p><p>42:01 Is talk therapy speech or medical treatment? (<em><a href="https://www.fire.org/news/supreme-court-should-strike-down-colorados-ban-conversion-therapy-heres-why">Chiles v. Salazar</a></em>)</p><p>46:02 What are the most pressing threats to online expression?</p><p>51:30 Special thanks to the Middlebury College Democrats and Republicans</p><p>53:45 What are the most challenging aspects of FIRE&#8217;s work with technology and free speech?</p><p>57:10 Does accepting government money protect or restrict speech?</p><p>01:00:25 Is FIRE a reactive organization and what solutions do we offer?</p><p>01:01:41 Outro</p><p>Joining us:</p><ul><li><p>Nico Perrino, executive vice president</p></li><li><p>Alisha Glennon, chief operating officer</p></li><li><p>Greg Lukianoff, president &amp; chief executive officer</p></li><li><p>Will Creeley, legal director</p></li></ul><p><a href="https://www.fire.org/research-learn/so-speak-podcast-transcript-fire-monthly-member-webinar-may-2026">Read the transcript here.</a></p><p>Become a paid subscriber today to receive invitations to future live webinars.</p><p>If you became a FIRE Member through a donation to FIRE at <a href="https://fire.org/">fire.org</a> and would like access to Substack&#8217;s paid subscriber podcast feed, please email sotospeak@fire.org.</p><p>If you already are a paid subscriber and would like to listen to this episode via Apple Podcasts, click on the &#8220;Apple Podcasts&#8221; icon at the top right of this page!</p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Ep. 271: Minecraft, censorship, and threats to press freedom with Clayton Weimers]]></title><description><![CDATA[The United States has slipped in global press freedom rankings amid growing concerns about trust, political pressure, and the media landscape.]]></description><link>https://sotospeakpodcast.com/p/ep-271-minecraft-censorship-and-threats</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://sotospeakpodcast.com/p/ep-271-minecraft-censorship-and-threats</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Nico Perrino]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2026 13:12:41 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/195871343/2495951806cc81ac934e2a4767863e2f.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Editorial note: This conversation was recorded on Friday, April 24, the day before the White House Correspondents&#8217; Dinner. Both Nico and Clayton attended the event, where a gunman breached security and opened fire before being apprehended.</em></p><p><em>No one was seriously injured, but the incident serves as a reminder of the threats reporters can face in the course of their work. Since we recorded the conversation before the shooting, Nico and Clayton do not address it, but the incident underscores the stakes of their discussion.</em></p><p>&#8212;</p><p>In 2020, Reporters Without Borders launched the Uncensored Library, a virtual archive housed inside Minecraft, the world&#8217;s most popular computer game.</p><p>It preserves the work of journalists who have faced censorship, imprisonment, exile, or even death. In countries where their reporting is banned, Minecraft itself is not, making the library a digital sanctuary for suppressed journalism that millions can still access.</p><p>In March 2026, the project added a United States wing, reminding Americans that subtler, less direct threats to a free press happen everywhere &#8211; even at home.</p><p>With today&#8217;s release of the <a href="https://rsf.org/en/index">2026 World Press Freedom Index </a>and World Press Freedom Day approaching on May 3, we&#8217;re unpacking the state of press freedom with Clayton Weimers, the executive director of <a href="https://rsf.org/en/rsf-usa">Reporters Without Borders USA</a>.</p><p><a href="https://www.uncensoredlibrary.com/en">Download The Uncensored Library here</a>.</p><p><strong>Timestamps:</strong></p><p>00:00 Intro</p><p>04:41 The state of press freedom in the United States</p><p>10:51 Trump administration&#8217;s threats to press freedom</p><p>14:16 <a href="https://www.fire.org/news/fire-statement-kash-patels-250m-defamation-lawsuit-against-atlantic">Patel v. The Atlantic</a> and <a href="https://www.fire.org/supreme-court/new-york-times-co-v-sullivan">actual malice</a></p><p>22:55 Who is to blame for distrust in media?</p><p>27:58 Viewpoint diversity in the newsroom</p><p>32:15 The modern media ecosystem</p><p>40:27 What is RSF?</p><p>47:00 Freelance and independent journalism</p><p>49:11 Clayton&#8217;s background and more on Reporters Without Borders</p><p>51:25 Inside the Uncensored Library</p><p>01:01:59 Outro</p><p><a href="https://www.fire.org/research-learn/so-speak-podcast-transcript-minecraft-censorship-and-threats-press-freedom-clayton">Read the transcript here.</a></p><p>Enjoy listening to the podcast? <strong>Donate to FIRE today </strong>and get exclusive content like member webinars, special episodes, and more.</p><p>If you became a <strong><a href="https://www.thefire.org/donate/membership">FIRE Member</a> </strong>through a donation to FIRE at <strong><a href="http://thefire.org">thefire.org</a></strong> and would like access to <strong><a href="https://sotospeak.substack.com/">Substack&#8217;s</a></strong> paid subscriber podcast feed, please email <a href="mailto:sotospeak@fire.org">sotospeak@fire.org</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[FIRE Reacts: Comey, Kimmel, ABC & the FCC]]></title><description><![CDATA[We break down the legal case against James Comey over an alleged &#8220;true threat&#8221; and how far the government can go in prosecuting speech. Plus, we examine renewed FCC pressure on ABC and Jimmy Kimmel.]]></description><link>https://sotospeakpodcast.com/p/fire-reacts-comey-kimmel-abc-and</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://sotospeakpodcast.com/p/fire-reacts-comey-kimmel-abc-and</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Nico Perrino]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2026 20:34:09 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/195906311/c2ff689238a02f4f25957476c23460e3.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Timestamps:</strong></p><p>00:00 Intro</p><p>00:57 Does the DOJ have a viable case against James Comey?</p><p>04:51 &#8220;True threats&#8221; and Comey&#8217;s case</p><p>06:36 Threats against U.S. presidents and <em>Watts v. United States</em></p><p>09:55 Was it a mistake for Comey to take down the &#8220;8647&#8221; seashell image?</p><p>11:18 Can the case be dismissed before it goes to trial?</p><p>12:38 Can Comey&#8217;s case be considered a selective prosecution?</p><p>13:23 Is the process itself a punishment?</p><p>15:29 Could prosecutors face consequences for bringing this case?</p><p>18:07 Examples of true threats</p><p>20:35 &#8220;True threat&#8221; versus &#8220;incitement to imminent lawless action&#8221;</p><p>22:53 Is it still a &#8220;true threat&#8221; if charges come a year later?</p><p>24:32 Can Comey recover his legal fees?</p><p>25:34 Do threats become more real in the wake of other active threats?</p><p>26:32 Does the First Amendment differ for speech about the president?</p><p>30:06 What&#8217;s going on with the FCC and ABC?</p><p>34:20 What do <em>NRA v. Vullo</em> and the FCC&#8217;s calls to fire Jimmy Kimmel have in common?</p><p>35:17 Why does broadcast licensing exist in the internet age?</p><p>36:51 Have past presidents historically influenced broadcast licensing?</p><p>38:33 Is the Fairness Doctrine still in effect?</p><p>40:30 What can ABC do if the FCC takes away their licenses?</p><p>42:40 Will ABC fight back?</p><p>46:01 Has broadcast media regulation always been a frustration for 1A advocates?</p><p>49:20 Humphrey&#8217;s Executor &amp; content-based regulation</p><p>50:58 Is the FCC independent from the executive branch?</p><p>51:45 The past 18 months of FCC action</p><p>52:15 Outro</p><p><strong>Joining us:</strong></p><ul><li><p><strong>Conor Fitzpatrick</strong>, supervising senior attorney</p></li><li><p><strong>Aaron Terr</strong>, director of public advocacy</p></li><li><p><strong>Bob Corn-Revere</strong>, chief counsel</p></li></ul>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Ep. 270: The fight for privacy and free speech in the surveillance age]]></title><description><![CDATA[The relationship between privacy and free expression is more urgent than ever.]]></description><link>https://sotospeakpodcast.com/p/ep-270-the-fight-for-privacy-and</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://sotospeakpodcast.com/p/ep-270-the-fight-for-privacy-and</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Nico Perrino]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2026 12:43:54 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/194554655/575615ee3657344df0ce5870c2a19015.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The early internet opened unprecedented avenues for speech, creativity, and connection without traditional gatekeepers.</p><p>But it also raised civil liberties questions: Do our offline freedoms exist online? And if so, how far do they extend?</p><p>Today, those questions are more urgent than ever. Advances in AI have given governments powerful new tools to track, monitor, and analyze our behavior, raising fundamental concerns about the future of free expression in the digital age.</p><p>Today we are joined by Cindy Cohn, the executive director for the <a href="http://eff.org">Electronic Frontier Foundation</a>. She has spent thirty years as a civil liberties attorney specializing in digital rights, which she documents in her newly published memoir <em><a href="https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262051248/privacys-defender/">Privacy&#8217;s Defender: My Thirty-Year Fight Against Digital Surveillance</a></em>.</p><p><strong>Timestamps:</strong></p><p>00:00 Intro</p><p>05:17 Why write this book now?</p><p>09:11 Does privacy make free speech possible?</p><p>14:52 Code as speech: <em>Bernstein v. United States</em></p><p>33:34 The Patriot Act and government spying</p><p>51:09 National security letters and Section 702</p><p>57:57 Who is Tony Coppolino?</p><p>01:06:06 Why EFF left X</p><p>01:11:05 What&#8217;s next for Cindy</p><p>01:13:56 Outro</p><p><a href="https://www.fire.org/research-learn/so-speak-podcast-transcript-fight-privacy-and-free-speech-surveillance-age">Read the transcript here</a>.</p><p>Enjoy listening to the podcast? <strong>Donate to FIRE today </strong>and get exclusive content like member webinars, special episodes, and more.</p><p>If you became a <strong><a href="https://www.thefire.org/donate/membership">FIRE Member</a> </strong>through a donation to FIRE at <strong><a href="http://thefire.org">thefire.org</a></strong> and would like access to <strong><a href="https://sotospeak.substack.com/">Substack&#8217;s</a></strong> paid subscriber podcast feed, please email <a href="mailto:sotospeak@thefire.org">sotospeak@thefire.org</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[FIRE Monthly Member Webinar — April 2026]]></title><description><![CDATA[The Atlantic and Kash Patel, doxxing, Charlie Kirk, TikTok algorithms, social media speech, our Soapbox conference, and more!]]></description><link>https://sotospeakpodcast.com/p/fire-monthly-member-webinar-april-67f</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://sotospeakpodcast.com/p/fire-monthly-member-webinar-april-67f</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Nico Perrino]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2026 01:16:00 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/194953208/90cc552136fe192eaca88fa02e2fa6d5.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timestamps:</p><p>00:00 Intro</p><p>01:42 Get your <a href="http://soapbox.fire.org/">tickets to Soapbox</a> now!</p><p>02:28 What did the court decide in <a href="https://www.fire.org/cases/rosado-et-al-v-blanche-et-al">Rosado et al. v. Blanche et al.</a>?</p><p>07:13 FIRE&#8217;s stance on <a href="https://x.com/TheFIREorg/status/2046281264664281118?s=20">Kash Patel&#8217;s lawsuit against </a><em><a href="https://x.com/TheFIREorg/status/2046281264664281118?s=20">The Atlantic</a></em></p><p>12:40 How can reporters defend against defamation claims without revealing sources?</p><p>21:10 Is doxxing law enforcement officers&#8217; home addresses protected speech?</p><p>25:49 &#8230;</p>
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But today, its principles face increasing pressure.</p><p>Around the world, governments are expanding speech restrictions in the name of combating misinformation, hate speech, and extremism, while new technologies make it easier to monitor and control public discourse.</p><p>Many free speech advocates warn that these efforts risk eroding democracy itself.</p><p>Joining the show to discuss this &#8220;global free speech recession&#8221; is Jacob Mchangama, a senior fellow at FIRE and the founder and executive director of The Future of Free Speech at Vanderbilt University, and Jeff Kosseff, a senior fellow at The Future of Free Speech. Their new book is &#8220;<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Future-Free-Speech-Reversing-Democracys/dp/1421454165">The Future of Free Speech: Reversing the Global Decline of Democracy&#8217;s Most Essential Freedom</a>.&#8221;</p><p><strong>Timestamps:</strong></p><p>00:00 Intro</p><p>02:07 Why write this book?</p><p>04:40 Where free speech stands in America today</p><p>05:53 What is a &#8220;global free speech recession&#8221;?</p><p>11:22 Free speech&#8217;s high point and what changed</p><p>18:56 Election misinformation, disinformation, and the role of AI</p><p>34:40 The EU&#8217;s Digital Services Act and the UK&#8217;s Online Safety Act</p><p>40:00 Are democracies starting to adopt more restrictive speech laws?</p><p>43:52 Solutions to reversing the free speech recession</p><p>52:25 Outro</p><p><a href="https://www.fire.org/research-learn/so-speak-podcast-transcript-free-speech-declining-worldwide">Read the transcript here.</a></p><p>Enjoy listening to the podcast? <strong>Donate to FIRE today </strong>and get exclusive content like member webinars, special episodes, and more.</p><p>If you became a <strong><a href="https://www.thefire.org/donate/membership">FIRE Member</a> </strong>through a donation to FIRE at <strong><a href="http://thefire.org">thefire.org</a></strong> and would like access to <strong><a href="https://sotospeak.substack.com/">Substack&#8217;s</a></strong> paid subscriber podcast feed, please email <a href="mailto:sotospeak@thefire.org">sotospeak@thefire.org</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Ep. 268: News and misinformation in early America]]></title><description><![CDATA[Did 18th-century misinformation help spark the American Revolution?]]></description><link>https://sotospeakpodcast.com/p/ep-268-news-and-misinformation-in</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://sotospeakpodcast.com/p/ep-268-news-and-misinformation-in</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Nico Perrino]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2026 13:52:00 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/193095182/89a3bf83fe628a3b54122d7487413a67.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 18th century America, news traveled slowly across the Atlantic. Newspapers reprinted secondhand reports, private letters, and unverified stories from abroad, leaving readers with multiple versions of reality.</p><p>In a world educated by an unverifiable news cycle, how did misinformation shape early American life?</p><p>To explore how news, rumor, and misrepresentation influenced the course of the American Revolution and the nation that followed, we are joined by Jordan Taylor, a historian of American history and the author of <em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Misinformation-Nation-Foreign-Politics-Revolutionary/dp/1421444496">Misinformation Nation: Foreign News and the Politics of Truth in Revolutionary America</a></em>.</p><p><strong>Timestamps:</strong></p><p>00:00 Intro</p><p>02:05 How colonists got their news</p><p>08:28 Why foreign news dominated early newspapers</p><p>17:33 How colonial newspapers verified information</p><p>22:32 Did miscommunication help spark the Revolution?</p><p>29:57 The XYZ Affair and the Sedition Act</p><p>39:21 The First Amendment&#8217;s original meaning</p><p>44:34 Current day parallels</p><p>55:41 Outro</p><p><a href="https://www.fire.org/research-learn/so-speak-podcast-transcript-news-and-misinformation-early-america">Read the transcript here.</a></p><p>Enjoy listening to the podcast? <strong>Donate to FIRE today </strong>and get exclusive content like member webinars, special episodes, and more.</p><p>If you became a <strong><a href="https://www.thefire.org/donate/membership">FIRE Member</a> </strong>through a donation to FIRE at <strong><a href="http://thefire.org">thefire.org</a></strong> and would like access to <strong><a href="https://sotospeak.substack.com/">Substack&#8217;s</a></strong> paid subscriber podcast feed, please email <a href="mailto:sotospeak@thefire.org">sotospeak@thefire.org</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded></item></channel></rss>